das bild vom 1845 säbel ist leider zu klein um etwas erkennen zu können....logischerweise wird nach originalen schriftzügen nachgeschrieben. natürlich wurde in früheren zeiten auch gelötet, aber ich habe noch nie einen originalen säbel gesehen, wo das griffblech an die parierstange gelötet war.....aber egal..... wünsche viel freude mit dem säbel.

I am unsure where you are referring the soldering location to possibly because of the translation. I can find no point that has been soldered and provide some extra photos for reference. The leather is genuinely aged, which alone cannot be faked.

Apologize for the crappy 1845 photo, but the text is exactly the same, though it is not a Pottenstein blade. I do not think that blade in that photo is a match to that hilt, likely a franken-sword.

Also have provided two more examples of silver-fitting madonna sabers. Do you know if there is a significance to silver vs bronze? I know later on and that other silver fitting sword I showed previously that silver was reserved for Household guard troops. The guard saber I showed: https://auktion.landshuter-ruestkammer.de/de/lose/9462-A28-785/

Here is an interesting Russian thread with multiple madonna sabers and some different Pottenstein signatures. I haven't seen two Pottenstein signatures be the same.

https://popgun.ru/viewtopic.php?f=155&t=288694

Another similar example sold:
http://www.rkbayard.ru/product/3639/

My main question is do you have any examples of replicas for me to look at? I'm having a difficult time finding any?

Researching and going down the rabbit hole on swords is 90% of the fun of the hobby!

Cheers

Additional pictures of Pottenstein signature variations

hallo. dass keine pottenstein-inschrift gleich ist, ist logisch, da handgeschrieben. danke für die genaueren bilder. es sah so aus, als ob das griffblech an die parierstange angelötet wäre. ist es nicht ? siehe pfeil.dann ist es besser. leder kann man schon alterstechnisch anpassen. beispiele für repliken habe ich keine, da die meisten als original verkauft werden....siehe vorangegangene bilder. :D die beiden säbel im letzen beitrag....ja, so sollen die ätzungen aussehen.

Those pieces are not fused together and there is slight movement between the two. I think you mistook some aging/small amount of preservation wax I had put on for it.

The inscriptions vary as widely as the signatures do with almost no two looking the same. This saber is likely from the end of the 18th/early 19th century by the assumption of variation and style of handle.

The inscription is very similar to this one: attached here.

This sword is from the yearly Landshuter auction, a group I trust to not sell off a fake as real. They handle many of these swords so I do not doubt its authenticity.

On the contrary, leather is very difficult to age naturally, and this handle is certainly aged. the scabbard leather looks as if it may have been replaced at some point in the past 50 years, but also shows some aging.

Here is a side-by-side comparison of the leather grip with my 1811 Blucher that is marked 1831. The Austrian grip is in far worse shape.

Also some better pictures of a Madonna saber in Blondiau's book, the inscription is very similar.

Unbelievable how little information on Pottenstein there is, its as if the bladesmith there never existed.

Found some info for anyone who cares!

"Pottenstein in the Triestingtal in Lower Austria

so a Pottensteiner blade , originated around / or. before 1780 Empress MT in

particularwanted topromote Austria as a closer location through its own production facilities for weapons (blanks and firearms) and supported corresponding initiatives. This resulted in several companies, of which Pottenstein was one of them. The saber blade factory in Pottenstein an der Triesting offered when it was relocatedfrom Sollenau in 1764/65 (founded there by Adam von Metzberg in 1754 ) under its new owner


Melchior Steiner from the new location ideal conditions:
relatively convenient proximity to Vienna , the flowing water of the Triesting, which does not freeze in winter and plenty of wood available for production.
In 1766 28 workers were already employed in the Pottensteiner saber blade factory , the annual production amounted to 12,000 blades ( also for pallasche and hussar sabers) , which became known far beyond the Austrian hereditary lands under the term "Pottensteiner" --- and probably still are . 1769
The company expanded and not far from the old factory was given another property assigned by the Merkenstein rulers , where an even newer blade factory was built. In 1786 Steiner's nephew, Melchior Ritter von Steiner, took over the business. In 1800 there were about 50 workers , only then did the slow decline come : in
1811 (great inflationary period in Austria, Napoleon) only 7 workers left , in 1814 (Napoleonic period) almost shutdown.
After Melchior von Steiner's death in 1837 , the plant was finally liquidated in 1841and converted into a cotton mill.
I ask for your support in resolving my questions about the saber - thank you!"

https://www.blankwaffenforum.de/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=4120

ist es jetzt ein wenig glaubhafter, da in facebook die gleichen aussgen dahergekommen sind, wie von mir ? ;)

Wo Bedarf ist und Geld gemacht werden kann wird gefälscht. Den ersten nachgemachten Säbel dieser Art fand ich vor 17 Jahren auf einen Flohmarkt in Ungarn. Seit dem ist die Herstellung bestimmt noch ausgefeilter geworden.

ja, das wird sicherlich so sein.